tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post9074505476041994454..comments2023-05-24T10:38:42.447-04:00Comments on Ray's 2.0: Has @Twitter Declared War on Traditional Retweets? #TRraybeckermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11063235302436280455noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-37007624363186067862011-10-21T19:58:12.945-04:002011-10-21T19:58:12.945-04:00not sure why you'd want RTs to show up in your...not sure why you'd want RTs to show up in your search unless you really just want to count how many times something was RT'd. I don't get it. Sure, they didn't announce the feature, but they never do.<br /><br />I don't know where the righteous indignation comes from; this seems like a pretty small thing to be upset about. I guess I can't see how this makes any kind of negative impact.fondos de pantalla para androidhttp://telefonosandroid.info/wallpapers/fondos-de-pantalla-hd-para-android/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-20704958286250036562011-03-22T21:48:55.894-04:002011-03-22T21:48:55.894-04:00Very lame, poor investigation into possible Twitte...Very lame, poor investigation into possible Twitter use cases.mensajes clarohttp://tedateo.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-90862071520768454202010-06-01T04:31:29.661-04:002010-06-01T04:31:29.661-04:00"ANY TWEET WHICH HAS AN "RT" ANYWHE..."ANY TWEET WHICH HAS AN "RT" ANYWHERE IN THE BODY OF THE TWEET WILL BE FILTERED OUT OF "<br /><br />yeah, since it's so useful to see the same message 4000 times rather than the original source of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-79322511489453340322010-05-23T18:51:13.267-04:002010-05-23T18:51:13.267-04:00I love the innocence of you guys! :)
The reason w...I love the innocence of you guys! :)<br /><br />The reason why Twitter want to kill this in fact, is to suffocate free advertising, especially important now that they are rolling out their sponsored tweet platform.<br /><br />In particular, Marketers can currently use a service such as socialoomph and do the following e.g.<br /><br />get several hundred bot accounts programed into a scheduled tweet scenario, sending one original tweet per twitter account, then scheduling duplicate RT @ to every one of the bot accounts just ONCE.<br /><br />Net Effect being hundreds and hundred of RTweets typically tagged with a Bit.Ly link which is then reported back to the 'client' who is paying per click.<br /><br />One thing I pride myself in, is my ability to take an impartial stance - The above *is* the reason Twitter wants to snuff out RT and I believe it is a good reason.<br /><br />I think everyone needs to realize that ALL Corporations are Evil and we need to pull our fingers our and operate a truly open Status Net / P2P Network that runs on ALL OUR PCs and relies on no profits - an infinitesimal charge levied per user amounting to less than $1 a year would be sufficient for us to throw these monsters from our backs.<br /><br />People & Planet - Not Profits!John Lee Blackwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08218464225433638185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-9008404371451237822010-05-22T11:02:46.726-04:002010-05-22T11:02:46.726-04:00Just a few thoughts on either side:
1.) If you w...Just a few thoughts on either side: <br /><br />1.) If you were searching for a specific topic/hashtag, then yes a million retweets of the same sentence is may not be very helpful. However, a search which only shows originals would be extremely helpful because not only would it be less cluttered but you would be able to see the original authors who made the statements. <br /><br />2.) On the other hand, some people add comments/answer questions in the retweets and if you wanted to follow a particular line of "conversation" you might WANT to see those RT's. <br /><br />3.) Additionally, I like to know who is retweeting my own stuff, a lot of people like to know that and comment back, and it would be nice to be able to see all that activity. <br /><br />4.) Knowing that there are times when both of these approaches are the best approach, it might actually be helpful to know that you can go to search.twitter and see everything, or go to the search box in your sidebar and see originals. You've got options. <br /><br />5.) The main things I'd want to know is a.) why didn't Twitter mention, "Hey, by the way we changed this.." and b.) are ALL of the instances when I am retweeted by any method showing up in my stream? <br /><br />6.) I also think that any time you click on a hashtag you should see all the search results, regardless, because even with all the redundant retweets, you can accurately judge the activity and popularity of the hashtag. It would be really cool if at the top of the page, after you searched the hashtag, you could click on an "remove the retweets" option. That would be best. <br /><br />7.) I never use the new retweet feature. ;)Amber@ClassicHousewifehttp://www.classichousewife.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-39824401059195193192010-05-21T09:24:30.061-04:002010-05-21T09:24:30.061-04:00Dr W
I don't understand the "vague"...Dr W<br /><br />I don't understand the "vague" point you are making.<br /><br />If you're saying I made a mistake, you should identify the mistake.raybeckermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11063235302436280455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-8212526456732495992010-05-21T09:21:34.568-04:002010-05-21T09:21:34.568-04:00Dear Dr W
1. I am a customer who has paid them no...Dear Dr W<br /><br />1. I am a customer who has paid them no money but supplied them with tons of free content.<br /><br />2. Again you are being repetitive and off-topic. These are all matters that were discussed in my blog post and comments about why the rubber stamp retweet is not actually a retweet at all.<br /><br />3. Again you are off-topic. If you want to debate the merits of the pseudo-retweet vs. traditional retweet, go to the blog post devoted to that subject, and do it there.<br /><br />4. I am of the school that higher level discussions, and a greater sense of comraderie, are produced by eliminating rudeness and cheap shots; the track record of the commenters on my Recording Industry vs The People blog has proved that.raybeckermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11063235302436280455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-45642437666765085052010-05-20T22:24:11.266-04:002010-05-20T22:24:11.266-04:00Dear Ray,
I find it sad you actually considered n...Dear Ray,<br /><br />I find it sad you actually considered not to publish my comment. I guess the tone I wrote it in is more acceptable from where I come from. As I said though, I do not mean to be rude. Also, I have no time to beat around the bush. I say it like it is.<br /><br />1. Yes, you are a customer, but a customer who is not paying for the service. In other words, your rights as a customer are limited.<br /><br />2. Again, as some have pointed out, who wants to receive and, when they do searches, have the same RT pop up several times. With the new RT I can see that some tweets have been RT'ed 100+ times. So when people are still using the old way of RT'ing, I think Twitter is trying to improve to search function so you do not end up having to sift through 100 tweets of the same thing.<br /><br />It also reminds me about the controversy regarding the feature that you could see your friends @ tweets. In the end it showed that only 3% used that feature. So, I will not be surprised Twitter has similar figures regarding RT.<br /><br />I also want to add that I do not care who RT, I care about the tweet itself. I find it more important to get the message out than to get fame for it. Because in the end, of you helped spread a message you did it for the community, not for yourself.<br /><br />3. I read that before commenting, and it that is why I mentioned the menu item you find on twitter.com. Also, some of your issues are out dated.<br />The main product is twitter.com. That you might not see the new RT in a twitter client is not Twitters fault, it is the makers of that client.<br /><br />Tweetdeck actually has the function now: http://ur1.ca/02eue<br /><br />Here is the Twitter API changelog: http://ur1.ca/02ew1<br /><br />And here is a list of recent changes: http://ur1.ca/02ewd<br /><br />4. Uhm... I see no reason in repeating what you have already written. I will be deliberately vague and tell you that you at least once admit that you had something wrong and updated the article.<br /><br />Hopefully you will publish this comment aswell.<br />At least I did not call your article pathetic, which you decided to call Twitter.<br />As I have a blog of my own I like to keep it clean, but at least I allow my commentators to be as blunt as I am.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-15671009691249907332010-05-20T09:39:05.333-04:002010-05-20T09:39:05.333-04:00Dear Dr W
I debated about rejecting your comment ...Dear Dr W<br /><br />I debated about rejecting your comment for violating the rudeness rule, but decided to let it stay. Please next time be more civil.<br /><br />1. I'm not an "authority". However, (a) in this fast paced world of social media, I don't know who is an "authority", and (b) I am an avid customer of twitter's services, and twitter should listen to its customers.<br /><br />2. I have no interest whatsoever in my name being in search engines. My interest is in not allowing the traditional retweet -- which is the mainstay of the "social" aspect of twitter -- to be marginalized. In case you haven't noticed, this new search issue is not an issue in and of itself, it is part of a campaign by twitter -- initiated for commercialization purposes -- to substitute "rubber stamps" for retweets.<br /><br />3. As to what is wrong with the new pseudo-retweet rubber stamps, I have explained that in another blog post, "Twitter tip: don't use Twitter's pseudo "retweet" button" #TR http://is.gd/4YRfB <br /><br />4. You complain that I don't have my "facts" straight, but point to no "facts" I've gotten wrong, so I can't help you there.raybeckermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11063235302436280455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-57238784042161036132010-05-20T00:28:03.163-04:002010-05-20T00:28:03.163-04:00So, who made you authority on RT policy?
I honest...So, who made you authority on RT policy?<br /><br />I honestly do not see a problem other than that you want your username to be more easily caught by search engines.<br /><br />on twitter.com, on your right, you have a 'Retweets' menu where you can look at who retweeted you.<br />Also, when you receive one of the new retweets it says how many who did retweet it.<br /><br />You also have to take into consideration that, let us say, you search for something and just want to show 20 results on one page; it will for sure become annoying if 15+ of these results are the same retweet.<br />And like other people have pointed out, it gets a bit frustrating when you get the same retweet five times in one day.<br /><br />Do not take this the wrong way, as I am referring to your comment guidelines, but I suggest you spend a bit more researching your articles so you don't end up having to update it constantly and correct your assumptions.<br />I know it might take more time, but it is better when you have all the correct facts on the table and then write an article.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-68960615602123260982010-05-19T22:26:37.505-04:002010-05-19T22:26:37.505-04:00My initials spell out "RT" and so if I s...My initials spell out "RT" and so if I sign any of my tweets with it (ex. my company uses CoTweet and we all have CoTags; mine is ^RT) then my results get filtered out, *even though* what I post is not a re-tweet.<br /><br />Very lame, poor investigation into possible Twitter use cases.<br /><br />Very annoyed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-18231170848834928162010-05-19T15:48:45.075-04:002010-05-19T15:48:45.075-04:00Ray, you asked for an alternate. There is one, htt...Ray, you asked for an alternate. There is one, <a href="http://identi.ca" rel="nofollow">http://identi.ca</a> it works the same as Twitter but has some additional features.Joshhttp://www.pundit.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-73972817535612364692010-05-19T11:51:02.424-04:002010-05-19T11:51:02.424-04:00not sure why you'd want RTs to show up in your...not sure why you'd want RTs to show up in your search unless you really just want to count how many times something was RT'd. I don't get it. Sure, they didn't announce the feature, but they never do.<br /><br />I don't know where the righteous indignation comes from; this seems like a pretty small thing to be upset about. I guess I can't see how this makes any kind of negative impact.Stephen Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14607415249171243854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-69327185146282891332010-05-19T10:19:55.610-04:002010-05-19T10:19:55.610-04:00When I read these comments, I again realize how li...When I read these comments, I again realize how little Twitter and many others understand how it is used by people who are using Twitter for more than idle narcissism and celebrity watching. I often amplify and characterize others' tweets, adding hashtags and bringing to light voices that are not sufficiently heard. And when in, say, Azerbaijan, or Russia, there is a youth demonstration and people are being beaten by police, RTs are needed to get the word out. The original Tweeter may only have a few people following him, but RTs make his voice louder. The Caucasus is a very small Whoville, and with this new RT policy, Twitter is stifling democracy efforts. <br /><br />Here is an example of an RT I just did (but changing it to a V). It would have been suppressed under this new search policy:<br /><br />goldentent: Have a look at #Kadyrov's Potemkin #architecture projects: V @giocomai @runetecho: #Russia: Photos of #Grozny http://bit.ly/dcJZkL #Chechnya <br /><br />Here is @giocomai's Tweet:<br /><br />giocomai: RT @runetecho: Russia: Photos of Grozny http://bit.ly/dcJZkL<br /><br />Contact, context, and hashtags added. Please--rethink this! Classic RT is not just a stamp!Anihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05443689500887100154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-4803472780350543302010-05-19T09:30:17.198-04:002010-05-19T09:30:17.198-04:00Dear Anita ( @ Model Supplies )
The point you mad...Dear Anita ( @ Model Supplies )<br /><br />The point you made is so very important. RT's are indeed used to amplify, and for Twitter to mute them is wrong, and in some cases might even be dangerous.raybeckermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11063235302436280455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-77628678424223606642010-05-19T09:24:01.599-04:002010-05-19T09:24:01.599-04:00Dear Dave at Twitter Tips:
Thank you very much fo...Dear Dave at Twitter Tips:<br /><br />Thank you very much for your comment indicating your dialogue with Charles at Twitter.<br /><br />Could you do me a favor and ask him these followup questions:<br /><br /> 1. When was this implemented?<br /> 2. Why was it implemented?<br /> 3. Why were the customers not consulted?<br /> 4. Is this the end, or just the beginning, of trying to distinguish traditional retweets from tweets?<br /> 5. Why was it done in secrecy?raybeckermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11063235302436280455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-40658151412495251412010-05-19T09:22:28.250-04:002010-05-19T09:22:28.250-04:00All the secrecy and unexplained nature doesn't...All the secrecy and unexplained nature doesn't bode well. still Twitter has a VERY small window for which this isn't a bad thing. As others have said it can get annoying to do a search and have the same post RT'd over and over and over again.<br /><br />This single move by itself isnt a bad thing in my opinion. There are other easily accessible search options that don't filter. And this really IS helpful.<br /><br />However like you I fear this is only the first step. DLC in video games lead not to developers creating more content to satisfy the demands of their user base but creating content strictly for the purposes of milking money from us. 1/3 of the game price in costumes? the game ending for an additional cost?<br /><br />No sir I may disagree with some of your sentiments regarding twitter usage and agree with the idea of this action twitter has taken but the execution leaves it clear that this is an undesirable action. <br /><br />If they'd simply told us they were doing it that would have addressed maybe 4 of your 5 questions (even if not any of your actual concerns), and this would be a minor deal rather than the major one it is currently.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13575882640684676203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-84447045093134989642010-05-19T08:47:05.284-04:002010-05-19T08:47:05.284-04:00At the end of the day, I believe this is due to Tw...At the end of the day, I believe this is due to Twitter trying to lessen the load of Tweets on their system. It reminds me of the fact that if I start a tweet out with @RayBeckerman that no one will see it unless they also follow you.<br /><br />None of the above reasons are good in my opinion...essentially "punishing" users for system flaws. But you get what you pay for.Kevin Duganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13550854529045946067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-49609026819735464992010-05-19T06:09:19.607-04:002010-05-19T06:09:19.607-04:00I can understand why a prolific retweeter, such as...I can understand why a prolific retweeter, such as Mr. Beckerman, is mad at this news. Mad that your tweets are being filtered out, huh? I'm glad that Twitter is proactively filtering out noise.kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10774827602427813204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-53647522017841182972010-05-19T05:05:05.177-04:002010-05-19T05:05:05.177-04:00I don't understand the problem. If it's a ...I don't understand the problem. If it's a retweet then the original tweet will be included in the search, just not all the retweets which (I'd imagine) seriously impede the system and quality of results.<br />If I did search and had 1000 results all effectively the same result retweeted that would be rubbish wouldn't it? Am I missing the point? (I'm not very good at the tech stuff).Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15195365701203718426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-11201049833552365362010-05-19T02:23:03.543-04:002010-05-19T02:23:03.543-04:00I would like to add something. Often the reason to...I would like to add something. Often the reason to RT is to <b>amplify</b> the tweet. What if there is an important occurrence like "Nashville flood", which desperately needed and still needs attention, but the people tweeting about it had under 1000 followers. When those tweets are lifted up by RT, they are able to reach more people to get the word out and spread awareness. <br /><br />This is <b>VERY SERIOUS</b> since it is taking the voice away from smaller accounts when they need it most. Who would be searching for "Nashville flood" - no one. I do not think the RTs are going through the stream, either. And the original posters were not using tags, etc., were in a horrible state of mind - did I mention they desperately needed help? <br /><br />I think unexpected crisis situations are where this will matter most. I also personally suspect this was the case during Nashville flood. It was extremely difficult to get that message out and took over 24 hours to get it trending!<br /><br />Thanks for listening - no, I'm not in Nashville, but some of my friends are and asked me for help directly, or I would not have known it even happened.<br />x0x<br />Anita @ModelSuppliesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-60578443355151467252010-05-19T01:51:28.369-04:002010-05-19T01:51:28.369-04:00I thought there was something wrong! So many peopl...I thought there was something wrong! So many people saying they were "missing tweets" or "where have you been", etc. I always use search.twitter.com so could not pinpoint it. Excellent research work, Ray~!! <br /><br />And yes! Why the secrecy? If eliminating RTs is to take the strain off of servers (I would hope that is the reason), why wouldn't they just announce it at status.twitter.com? <br /><br />I despise the RT button since the tweet doesn't show up in the stream, allow interaction between the original poster and retweeter and now it does not show up in home page search results, either? It takes the "social" out of social media. <br /><br />Thanks again, Ray, could definitely tell something was up. TR, R or V it is!<br />x0x<br />Anita Nelson @ModelSuppliesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-59369337038991921402010-05-19T00:41:56.211-04:002010-05-19T00:41:56.211-04:00I think they are filtering out the "RT" ...I think they are filtering out the "RT" from search to stop numerous amounts of the same tweets showing up in search, such as ones from celebrities. I don't think it's a war. You're just over reacting.Christopher - 12682947https://www.blogger.com/profile/01904669508226060992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-88684761951263933002010-05-19T00:28:12.449-04:002010-05-19T00:28:12.449-04:00Oh a 5th question:
Why was it done in secrecy?Oh a 5th question:<br /><br />Why was it done in secrecy?raybeckermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11063235302436280455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-4081857585522306722010-05-19T00:26:59.018-04:002010-05-19T00:26:59.018-04:00Mr Borasky
It's kind of pathetic,don't yo...Mr Borasky<br /><br />It's kind of pathetic,don't you think, that you were not informed?<br /><br />You're a freaking developer, for crying out loud.<br /><br />I think many of the comments are missing the real point here:<br /><br />1. When was this implemented?<br /><br />2. Why was it implemented?<br /><br />3. Why were the customers not consulted?<br /><br />4. Is this the end, or just the beginning, of trying to damage traditional retweets?raybeckermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11063235302436280455noreply@blogger.com