tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post676313211142186233..comments2023-05-24T10:38:42.447-04:00Comments on Ray's 2.0: Retweet the old fashioned way, using 'classic' or 'traditional' retweets onlyraybeckermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11063235302436280455noreply@blogger.comBlogger130125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-31266985813841120252015-02-27T08:08:35.202-05:002015-02-27T08:08:35.202-05:00Like you, I'm on Twitter 'to learn and sha...Like you, I'm on Twitter 'to learn and share and make friends.' That's exactly why I prefer the built-in retweet function<a title="facebook" href="http://www.google.com" rel="nofollow">facebook</a><br />mayazoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15424160001444581838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-38786748389006875112014-07-14T04:36:12.291-04:002014-07-14T04:36:12.291-04:00Like you, I'm on Twitter 'to learn and sha...Like you, I'm on Twitter 'to learn and share and make friends.' That's exactly why I prefer the built-in retweet function to the classic method of retweeting. When you write that 'If [you] retweet someone, <a href="http://goo.gl/9Dp5ZX" rel="nofollow">peluang usaha kecil sampingan</a> and they don't even know that [you] did, or if they retweet something of [yours] and [you] don't know that they did, that's not going to build [your] relationship [with them] one iota', you are correct - but that is a reason for using the built-in retweet function and avoiding the classic method. If you retweet someone using the retweet button, that person will be automatically notified that you have retweeted their tweet. If you do it by typing 'RT', that person will instead be notified that you have 'mentioned' them.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11850194014515443729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-35487642567054906892014-04-26T13:31:58.574-04:002014-04-26T13:31:58.574-04:00Interesting article, but moving with the times and...Interesting article, but moving with the times and reducing work for oneself is part of progress, even if it does mean succumbing slightly to the ever-encroaching parasitism of capitalism. I read the article while nodding my head and then read some of the comments advocating the other side of the coin. It seems Twitter has its own official answer that satisfies both camps: https://support.twitter.com/articles/20169873-retweeting-another-person-s-tweet<br /><br />And that's how I'm going to be doing it in future.Neohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04006786049710361344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-18047674868117398862013-09-03T11:14:55.272-04:002013-09-03T11:14:55.272-04:00In deference to Daniel Allington's suggestion ...In deference to Daniel Allington's suggestion that my original post is out of date, I reviewed it this morning, and updated it. He's right that there were a couple of things that needed updating. E.g., tweetmeme is no longer in existence, so I removed the reference to it, and the way of finding twitter-fake-retweets has changed, but is similar in concept... you have to go look for them. <br /><br />But the principles remain the same. With twitter-fake-retweets you are more invisible and less part of a conversation, than when using traditional or classic retweets; if you don't care about visibility or conversation, and don't care about connecting and interacting with people who have similar interests, then it doesn't matter.raybeckermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11063235302436280455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-6680776542945168772013-09-03T04:19:59.420-04:002013-09-03T04:19:59.420-04:00I'm not sure you understood my blog post as I ...I'm not sure you understood my blog post as I intended it. I didn't suggest that people use both the classic and the new method but that if they use the classic method, they should ideally do so after clicking 'Reply', rather than in an entirely new tweet, since this preserves at least some connection between the retweet and the original.<br /><br />The conversational thread - in the sense of, a string of tweets each of which responds to the one before it, which reappears when you click 'View conversation' - is only preserved in the classic retweet method if you do the classic retweet after clicking the 'Reply' button. If you use the classic method without 'Reply', this is lost because Twitter has no way of knowing that your 'retweet' has any relationship at all to the tweet you are retweeting. The screenshots on my blog posting show this quite clearly. If you want to understand why this happens, you need to access Twitter via the Twitter API and have a look at the metadata that accompanies the normally visible portion of each tweet.<br /><br />My post also shows that your arguments 5 and 6 against the new retweet method ('if someone retweets you, it is difficult for you to learn that they did' and 'if you retweet people, they will never learn that you did') no longer apply (I assume that they were correct at the time when you posted them). As the screenshots on my blog post show, retweeting a tweet using the new method will lead to the original tweeter's being notified of it as a retweet (i.e. with the words 'X retweeted you!' and 'Your Tweet got retweeted!'), while retweeting a tweet using the classic method will lead to the original tweeter's being notified only that he/she has been 'mentioned'.Daniel Allingtonhttp://www.danielallington.net/2013/08/twitter-conversations-reply-retweet/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-4818764412927671022013-09-02T16:45:16.982-04:002013-09-02T16:45:16.982-04:00Thanks for your comment, Daniel. I've read you...Thanks for your comment, Daniel. I've read your blog post but disagree with your conclusions.<br /><br />You've given it a lot of thought, perhaps too much thought.<br /><br />The conversational thread is preserved with classic retweets, and destroyed by twitter retweets. <br /><br />Your blog post's suggestion -- that people should use both -- seems illogical to me, and seems to admit the point that I'm making.<br />raybeckermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11063235302436280455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-46157305470526608332013-09-02T16:05:16.517-04:002013-09-02T16:05:16.517-04:00Dear Ray Beckerman
Like you, I'm on Twitter &...Dear Ray Beckerman<br /><br />Like you, I'm on Twitter 'to learn and share and make friends.' That's exactly why I prefer the built-in retweet function to the classic method of retweeting. When you write that 'If [you] retweet someone, and they don't even know that [you] did, or if they retweet something of [yours] and [you] don't know that they did, that's not going to build [your] relationship [with them] one iota', you are correct - but that is a reason for using the built-in retweet function and avoiding the classic method. If you retweet someone using the retweet button, that person will be automatically notified that you have retweeted their tweet. If you do it by typing 'RT', that person will instead be notified that you have 'mentioned' them.<br /><br />This is explained in the blog post linked to via my name.<br /><br />Best wishes<br /><br />DanielDaniel Allingtonhttp://www.danielallington.net/2013/08/twitter-conversations-reply-retweet/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-12178909492653882212013-05-23T19:50:24.121-04:002013-05-23T19:50:24.121-04:00Great Great post I really appreciate Great Great post I really appreciate Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13183686045062814894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-74052374122177418112013-02-19T19:04:12.601-05:002013-02-19T19:04:12.601-05:00I'm sorry Anonymous VaguelyFunnyDan, I lost my...I'm sorry Anonymous VaguelyFunnyDan, I lost my concentration when you said I'm a "good looking guy" :)<br /><br />raybeckermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11063235302436280455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-63728871192575776022013-02-19T18:13:26.021-05:002013-02-19T18:13:26.021-05:00Wait, did you just turn into my wife?
I take it y...Wait, did you just turn into my wife?<br /><br />I take it you don't recognize absurd passive aggression as an "unfair tactic".<br /><br />Want to share an Ed Schultz tweet, but don't have anything to add? What's wrong with a click of the retweet button, even if (gasp) YOUR picture isn't next to HIS thought?<br /><br />You're a good looking guy, but a few other people's AVIs on your timelines might really spruce up the place. <br /><br />Godspeed.<br /><br />@VaguelyFunnyDanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-41087267033094863482013-02-19T10:39:30.551-05:002013-02-19T10:39:30.551-05:00Like I said, Anonymous Tofu Dan, you have a differ...Like I said, Anonymous Tofu Dan, you have a different view of things than I do, I never said you were "strange". I'm on twitter to interact with my friends rather than anonymously help geniuses reach their fan base.<br /><br />So maybe I'm just not as wonderful a human being as you are.raybeckermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11063235302436280455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-76304991725058871802013-02-19T00:09:14.932-05:002013-02-19T00:09:14.932-05:00So you don't follow anyone based on the conten...So you don't follow anyone based on the content they tweet? There are people doing some pretty neat things with 140 characters. Do you intentionally avoid people who write original things and have developed a fan base?<br /><br />And if you do come across a very insightful or funny tweet that you think deserves sharing, is getting your picture next to it instead of the person who wrote it really a priority?<br /><br />My colleagues on Twitter are mostly writers and comedians. If Michael Ian Black tweets a joke, it's something he wrote. If I think it's stellar, I want his picture next to it when I share it. Is that strange of me?<br /><br />Tofu DanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-53475539235052002122013-02-18T22:51:39.594-05:002013-02-18T22:51:39.594-05:00Yes, Anonymous Tofu Dan, you have a different view...Yes, Anonymous Tofu Dan, you have a different view of things.<br /><br />Personally I'm not on twitter to 'honor' the brilliant authors of "retweet-worthy things", nor am I here to write "retweet-worthy things", I'm here to learn and share and make friends.<br /><br />If I retweet someone, and they don't even know that I did, or if they retweet something of mine and I don't know that they did, that's not going to build our relationship one iota. And if neither they nor I even show up in a keyword search, that's not going to help us find each other.<br /><br />If you want to be invisible, what's the purpose of going on twitter at all?<br /><br />And if you just want to write brilliant original things & be retweeted by legions of fans, well -- you're exactly the kind of person I would never follow.raybeckermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11063235302436280455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-42621395557616427622013-02-18T21:51:29.271-05:002013-02-18T21:51:29.271-05:00So yeah, um, seems like a whole lot of your case f...So yeah, um, seems like a whole lot of your case for doing a manual RTs is about bringing attention to yourself instead of honoring the tweet/author you feel compelled to retweet in the first place. "They might not realize that I made the amazing decision to retweet them." "I can't edit their tweet." "THEIR picture will appear next to their tweet instead of MINE."<br /><br />I mean really? If you aren't adding a useful comment (and no I don't think "LOLZ" counts) the manual RT is pretty weak, in my opinion. <br /><br />A novel way to get more attention is to be the original writer of retweet-worthy things. <br /><br />Best,<br /><br />Tofu DanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-58121765129738459192012-03-26T09:50:01.794-04:002012-03-26T09:50:01.794-04:00I think other apps do a way better of RT implement...I think other apps do a way better of RT implementation than Twitter does. I'm long over the change of the RT, to the point I actually quite like it. Adding your comment isn't always needed. Sometimes things are just awesome on their own and don't need commentary from the peanut gallery to be shared and enjoyed. <br /><br />I think the thing that is fundamentally broken about the RT is how they are kept track of. The fact they essentially created 2 tiers of RTs, then only keep track of the "official" method is annoying. If I tweet something that is popular and shared a bunch, I don't want to have to sift though my replies and check who officially RT'd my stuff.jamEshttp://www.modsuperstar.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-7970274915729502702012-03-13T09:27:12.861-04:002012-03-13T09:27:12.861-04:00I know it's important to get on the whole soci...I know it's important to get on the whole social media train for my business..i just can't figure out how twitter is going to help me? any advice would be appreciated.Wholesale Mulchhttp://www.kbmulch.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-35487070210582277532012-02-29T04:24:25.310-05:002012-02-29T04:24:25.310-05:00I really appreciate your work , Great post.I really appreciate your work , Great post.Bioleanhttp://healthbeautyproducts.myblogsite.com/entry1.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-42029028799831136242012-02-27T16:52:12.188-05:002012-02-27T16:52:12.188-05:00Okay Ray, thanks for that! I didn't get any no...Okay Ray, thanks for that! I didn't get any notification that you'd answered here and accidentally found your response, strange. Anyway, will work on the link. I think I need a list to include other people's tweets in the feed, no? Not sure you want to get involved w/this mess as I have lists following lists that follow the originals lists in an endless loop? At any rate, the code I have doesn't want me to put in a link? though I'll keep working on how to do that. It seems to want something like this: }).render().setList('antonfestival', 'antonfestivity').start(); Thanks again :)An Ton Festivalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04112209657716651035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-51755948593715517182012-02-24T00:54:51.512-05:002012-02-24T00:54:51.512-05:00This article came up just when I was reaching the ...This article came up just when I was reaching the limits of my frustration with one aspect of retweeting the "old fashioned way: whenever I copied the tweet and then paste it so I can retweet it, the URL in the original tweet goes missing. It's like Twitter won't allow me to copy the URL portion of the message. <br /><br />Any idea why this is or any easy and simple way of resolving it? I hope I didn't miss this information in your article...Haroldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09621803197000862481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-64418172134486724752012-02-23T12:29:47.469-05:002012-02-23T12:29:47.469-05:00You have a link to a nonexistent twitter list. You...You have a link to a nonexistent twitter list. You should change the link to https://twitter.com/#!/antonfestival/raybeckermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11063235302436280455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-632031288956017652012-02-23T12:22:13.775-05:002012-02-23T12:22:13.775-05:00Hi Ray, Twitter expert? I wonder if you have any i...Hi Ray, Twitter expert? I wonder if you have any ideas about the twitter embedded on our blog http://antonfestival.blogspot.com/. The twitter feed is a list because it has to be but when I hit Join the Conversation, it leads to a link that doesn't exist. Any thoughts on who could help. Been googling all over and can't find any help. Thx! ANFAn Ton Festivalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04112209657716651035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-15650630154003710292012-02-20T08:07:02.780-05:002012-02-20T08:07:02.780-05:00Just so you know, you can do the so called 'cl...Just so you know, you can do the so called 'classic' retweet in Twitter for Mac...<br />And frankly I don't see what's wrong with the default retweet. Legacy is boring.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-40551630088181507932012-02-07T08:24:12.068-05:002012-02-07T08:24:12.068-05:00Hi Kathleen
I don't know if it's rude, af...Hi Kathleen<br /><br />I don't know if it's rude, after all you're just giving them some good advice for their benefit :)raybeckermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11063235302436280455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-29941119445620907272012-02-07T00:59:31.104-05:002012-02-07T00:59:31.104-05:00Thanks for your advice, Ray. I've been using b...Thanks for your advice, Ray. I've been using both types of RTs and some MTs. I use Twitter for iPad so to get around the auto Retweet, I have used the Quote button, which often makes for a weird Tweet. However, it's my only option as copy-and-paste is somehow disabled. I would like to send this blog as an FYI RT to some of my followers who are in love with the "new" Retweet button, but I guess that would be rude.Kathleenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15157374023750475973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037273817550516249.post-15225226713885513902011-12-15T19:03:04.746-05:002011-12-15T19:03:04.746-05:00Damn, that's a bummer. While I definitely enjo...Damn, that's a bummer. While I definitely enjoy the new Twitter layout, this lack of classic RT hurts! I mentioned you in one of my own blog posts (http://bighappymedia.com/big-happy-tweeting-tips-lesson-1/) and hate to say I'm hesitant to keep it up as I don't really want to supply false info for those that have updated. I guess I'll leave it for the time being, no complaints yet!Eric B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10535923599761860541noreply@blogger.com